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Kaag 120-155
- Spending time as a teenager under a rock: this seems an apt metaphor for the delusions of youth,. Do you think Kaag intends this? What might he expect to learn, by retracing the steps of his own teenage years? 121
- "To be ignorant of what occurred before you were born is to remain always a child," so if Cicero was right I find most of my 1st year students still arrested in their development: they're familiar with almost none of the historical highlights I mention before class each day. Why is this, do you think?
- If "the 'good' for the master is the power to advance, to assert oneself" etc., aren't his students right: Augustus and his ilk are jerks? Are they jerks because of their strength, or their cruelty? Is it the "docility" of the herd that condemns them, or the decency? 123-5 Is it not obvious that those who define good in narrowly self-serving terms have failed to grasp the concept? Did Romans venerate "an emaciated Jew hung unceremoniously on a cross," or what he preached about kindness, love, mutual solicitude, et al?
- If perfectionism makes life with others difficult, does that not suggest its undesirability? 127-9 Is obsessive-compulsive behavior sometimes mistaken for perfectionism? Can you relate to Kaag's fasting compulsion? Is it pathological to seek self-mastery in ways that subvert health? Are you interested in the relation between food and thought? 130 Was Feuerbach right?
- "I wanted only to walk. I was beyond unhealthy..." And yet, walking is generally touted as a positive addiction. Do you agree?
- Six months before his daughter was born, Kaag started taking anti-depressants. 131 Six months before my first daughter was born, I was elated. High on life, as it were. Any comment?
- Schopenhauer thought we were suffering creatures "at base"... 132 But aren't we experiencing creatures at base, alternately suffering, soaring, and everything in-between? Isn't it excessive pessimism to emphasize suffering?
- "The average person takes ten thousand steps a day..." 132-4 That's extremely inflated, isn't it, especially for college students who own electric scooters? And for philosophers these days, who mostly no longer subscribe to the Peripatetic school? But isn't it true that walking is "one of the most sustaining and refreshing" activities?
- Is going home, and feeling at home in the world, the ultimate form of salvation-at least for a secular naturalist? 138
- Is ours a decadent age? If so, how much is that due to our being a consumer culture?
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- Do you share any of Breuer's complaints? 155-6, passim. Is there a better name for "despair therapy"? 157
- "Melancholics starve themselves or may commit suicide." So much for Kaag's "ascetic ideal," no? Do you agree that that's often a euphemism for a form of self-destructive mental illness?
- Any comment on "hysteria" as a tool, historically, for repressing women? 158, 161, 165
- "For one can never really be helped by another..." 160 That's false, isn't it?
- Are you ever invaded by "alien thoughts"? Do you make them occur? 167, 169
- Is Nietzsche a great philosopher except when he discusses human beings? 168
- Are your dreams "a glorious mystery"? 173 Do you analyze them?
- Are all relationships a "struggle for power"? 175
- "Those who wish to pursue the truth must forsake peace of mind..." 178 Any comment?
- Are all the great philosophers "gloomy"? 179
- Are you already forty (in spirit)? 185 Do you entertain visions of "infinite promise"? Do you choose your own goals? 187
- "...thank God, God is dead..." 190 Any comment?
- What do you think of academics who "write solely for the academic community"? 196
3. Regarding the first part of the question on Augustus: I think the cruelty of exerting one’s power over others is what makes Augustus seem like a jerk. I don’t agree that it has much to do with the weakness or slave mentality Nietzsche sees as something born out of Judaic suffering, but rather the human desire to have power over oneself which he valued so much.
ReplyDelete5. Obviously walking is a healthy activity, particularly in our sedentary age, but anything carried to an extreme can become unhealthy, even walking.
6. I can understand both positions. It makes sense to be elated about the coming birth of a child, and for some people, their brain chemistry makes happiness much more difficult, whether that is born of earlier circumstances or by heredity (usually a combination of both). I see it as a sign of maturity for Kaag to realize and accept a need for chemical support so that he could more easily care for his child—a way of taking responsibility. It is kind of a rejection of the enduring suffering mentality he mentions regarding people on a pilgrimage. Rather than try to endure his suffering for the sake of endurance, he realized it was more responsible to have the extra support of a medication so that he could prepare to take care of his child.
6. Indeed, self-knowledge is crucial for everyone and maybe especially for prospective parents. In his case, it may also have had something to do with the ambivalence he expressed about having children at all. Nobody should become a parent without being "all in," and in chemical assistance is required, so be it.
ReplyDeleteIs ours a decadent age? If so, how much is that due to our being a consumer culture? I’d say our age is a decadent one, demonstrated by a decline in basic life skills and over-reliance on sparkly technology. Elementary students aren’t taught foundational literacy and library skills, and creativity is hampered by generative ai. I’m absolutely guilty of scrolling on social media for hours, neglecting to educate myself on current news or exercising my mind. Consumer culture only intensifies the steady decline by providing distractions. It’s exhilarating to buy and collect things with little practical purpose, and we fill our time trying to fund the habit. So much time is spent trying to attain; little is left to understand or to reflect. That’s not to say that we are a lost cause, but instead that we have a responsibility to counteract the decline.
ReplyDelete"I wanted only to walk. I was beyond unhealthy..." And yet, walking is generally touted as a positive addiction. Do you agree? While walking is generally a healthy activity for most, Kaag demonstrates an extreme that should also be cautioned against. It had far less to do with the action itself, and much more to do with the mental implications. This chapter makes it quite clear that Kaag’s relationship with exercise and food were strained, and that his obsessive walking was a form of self-deprivation. Where walking usually brings joy and reflection, he sought pain and overexertion. While the physical effects may not compare to drugs, I don’t agree with the concept of positive addiction. There is a distinction to be made between adopting positive habits and developing obsessive behaviors in activities we generally regard as good.
“No price is too high for the privilege of owning yourself” We discussed this attitude at length on Tuesday, and I think this quote really captures the issue with Nietzsche’s hyper-individualism. I disagree, and I think it was ultimately the greatest price that Nietzsche paid to ‘own’ himself. He forfeited community, love, pleasure, and even his sanity to prove his individualism. He left behind brilliant passages and is recognized as a great thinker, although his melancholic reputation often precedes his philosophical work.