Kaag 37-80
- What do you think Nietzsche means by playing seriously, like a child? Does it have something to do with children's willingness to question everything? 37-8
- Do you think parenthood changes people, or tends to hasten their own embrace of adult responsibilities? If so, why do you suppose so many of the famous dead philosophers were childless (and often partner-less)? Was Kierkegaard wrong to break off his engagement on the grounds of being too melancholy? Was Schopenhauer wrong about marriage being akin to dipping your arm blindly into a bag of snakes?
- What would you say to the student who told Kaag she's been happy but "then I started reading Nietzsche"? 39 Any thoughts on this Nietzschean aphorism?: We [Hyperboreans] kept as far as possible from the happiness of the weakling, from “resignation”... There was thunder in our air; nature, as we embodied it, became overcast—for we had not yet found the way. The formula of our happiness: a Yea, a Nay, a straight line, a goal.... The Antichrist
- What in general would you say about any philosophy by which you "came to terms with life" but also became incapable of living with others? 41 Would you--unlike Nietzsche and Schopenhauer, evidently-- wish to seek other terms?
- Is it an intrinsic objection to the standard experiential human pleasures (food, material consumption, travel, games, sex, ...) that they are transitory and not permanent? Do Nietzsche and Schopenhauer (for instance) exaggerate the prevalence and ubiquity of suffering in most human lives?
- Is Kaag unfair to those of us who, like Kant, walk consistent daily neighborhood routes when he says this-- by contrast with distance hikers and mountaineers-- indicates "a constipated mind"? 45 Was Nietsche unfair to Kant when calling him a nihilist and idiot?
- Was Kaag's shift from Nietzsche to American philosophy more morally-responsible? Is Emerson's version of self-reliance preferable to Nietzsche's? Any thoughts on any of these Emersonian aphorisms (below*)?
- Is "the Last Man" wrong to value safety, comfort, and convenience? 51 Can you value those things and "beauty and risk"?
- Can existence really only be justified as an "aesthetic experience"? 53 Why must it be "justified" at all, rather than just enjoyed and ameliorated? But does Kaag have a point when he calls out the beer-drinking Americans in the airport sports bars watching the Tour de France?
- "Pessimism disabused him of the idea that everyday life was meaningful..." 55 Any comment on this? Or on this statement from Christopher Hitchens?: "A life that partakes even a little of friendship, love, irony, humor, parenthood, literature, and music, and the chance to take part in battles for the liberation of others cannot be called 'meaningless' except if the person living it is also an existentialist and elects to call it so. It could be that all existence is a pointless joke, but it is not in fact possible to live one's everyday life as if this were so."
- Were the Romantics wrong about the point of life? 55-6
- Are our values discredited by being contingent and historically rooted, rather than necessary and timeless? Should we "revalue" them, or just evaluate them in the light of our present conception of human circumstance and need? 66
- What (again) is your response to the demon? 72 Do you find repetition in daily life inherently "crushing"? Do you find your "circles" an opportunity to grow and improve, with (for example) each pass around the sun? But does Nietzsche's fatalism ("nothing new") allow for such growth and improvement? And if you've seen Bill Murray's Groundhog Day, is this what makes his situation unlike Nietzsche's recurrence?
- If, in response to eternal recurrence, you were to become more "well disposed to yourself and to life," wouldn't that then be something new? And if that sort of change is possible, why shouldn't a Nietzschean wish also to be a pragmatic meliorist like James and agree that “No fact in human nature is more characteristic than its willingness to live on a chance. The existence of the chance makes the difference… between a life of which the keynote is resignation and a life of which the keynote is hope.” (VRE)
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- “Speak what you think today in hard words and tomorrow speak what tomorrow thinks in hard words again, though it contradict every thing you said today.”
- “the great man is he who in the midst of the crowd keeps with perfect sweetness the independence of solitude.”
- “Nothing is at last sacred but the integrity of your own mind.”
- Is it so bad, then, to be misunderstood? Pythagoras was misunderstood, and Socrates, and Jesus, and Luther, and Copernicus, and Galileo, and Newton, and every pure and wise spirit that ever took flesh. To be great is to be misunderstood.”
- “To believe your own thought, to believe that what is true for you in your private heart, is true for all men,—that is genius. Speak your latent conviction, and it shall be the universal sense; for the inmost in due time becomes the outmost,—and our first thought is rendered back to us by the trumpets of the Last Judgment.”
- “Society everywhere is in conspiracy against the manhood of everyone of its members. Society is a joint-stock company, in which the members agree, for the better securing of his bread to each shareholder, to surrender the liberty and culture of the eater. The virtue in most request is conformity. Self-reliance is its aversion. It loves not realities and creators, but names and customs.”
Yalom 54-103
- Do you share "the horror of living an unobserved life"? Could that account not only for our culture's resistance to aging, but also to our hyper-online activity? 55
- Is it possible for a non-metaphysical dualist to say, with Nietzsche, that "my illness belongs to my body but it is not me"? Is it really true (as Elie Wiesel famously quoted Nietzsche in Man's Search for Meaning) that if you have a why, you can endure any how? 57
- If you have a life's mission, does it follow that you are not suicidal? Does your nervous system also cry out for sun and dry air? 58
- Do you also have your best thoughts while walking? 61
- "It is not the truth that is holy, but the search for one's own truth." 68 But then Nietzsche insists that belief in God is "not a human choice." Any thoughts?
- Is hope really "the worst of evils"? 69
- "Perhaps by the year 2000, people will dare to read my books." 71 Is a popular philosopher an oxymoron?
- Do you find young Freud's incipient talk of the Unconscious (82-3, 97) here persuasive? Or is Josef right, that the evidence for it is scarce?
- "Whatever does not kill me..." (96-7) - Any thoughts?
- Is loneliness "a breeding ground for sickness"? 101
I think our class goes better when y'all post your thoughts in advance (and can then claim bases on the scorecard). But it's 4 pm Wednesday and no thoughts for tomorrow have been posted. Please try to post at least 24 hours prior to each class, if possible. Otherwise, I'll probably not get to see your posts ahead of time. But if you can't, better late than never. Go for it.
ReplyDelete8. I don't believe that the "Last Man" is wrong in choosing safety and convenience. To me, it seems that with each scientific breakthrough comes inventions that make life more convenient. But if one is actively avoiding challenges and hardships in pursuit of constant leisure, they are missing out on the experiences that allow us to learn and grow. What comes to mind when thinking of the "Last Man" is being stagnant. For me, a balance of discomfort and risk is needed in order to justify leisure.
ReplyDeleteDo you think parenthood changes people, or tends to hasten their own embrace of adult responsibilities? If so, why do you suppose so many of the famous dead philosophers were childless (and often partner-less)? Was Kierkegaard wrong to break off his engagement on the grounds of being too melancholy? Was Schopenhauer wrong about marriage being akin to dipping your arm blindly into a bag of snakes? I think parenthood should change people, and I believe that is what the philosophers feared most. Consumed by their work, some of the greatest philosophers felt as though relationships served as an obstacle in the way of wisdom. Embracing a relationship requires someone to step outside of themselves and be present in a way that some philosophers sacrificed in their endeavor to understand the abstract. It’s dangerous to forsake interpersonal relationships in a pursuit of understanding existence, because it is inherently the core.
ReplyDeleteWhat in general would you say about any philosophy by which you "came to terms with life" but also became incapable of living with others? 41 Would you--unlike Nietzsche and Schopenhauer, evidently-- wish to seek other terms? If it takes isolation from the world around an individual to “come to terms with life”, I would argue that individual has become so far removed from existence; they have not accepted life at all. It reminded me of the critique that existentialists often ‘fail to see the forest for the trees’, in a general sense. Although Schopenhauer was not necessarily an existentialist, they both seemed to have written about existence from a disassociated, perch-like position. They both faced feelings of isolation because they felt deeply misunderstood, and they rationalized these feelings as though the connection was not something they desired all-along. I can’t help but wonder if the reason that they believed isolation was the ideal state for philosophizing was due to their own loneliness. I believe collaboration and feedback are critical to “come to terms with life”, otherwise the philosopher is bound to resort to isolation.
Reflecting on the isolation that so many philosophers endured, I am curious how different philosophy would be if Kierkegaard hadn’t abandoned his engagement, and if Nietzsche's affection for Salomé had been requited. Would they have discovered wisdom in these relationships, or would they would have neglected their loved ones in pursuit of understanding Being? The opposite? It’s impossible to know, but it’s consuming to contemplate.
4. I think it would be unbearable for me to try and live without others. In my view, others teach us so much about ourselves because of their otherness. I also find relationships to be a place where I am consistently invited to grow either with someone else or in myself. So, I think part of coming to terms with life is coming to terms with other people – life is full of them.
ReplyDelete5. I don’t know that Nietzsche and Schopenhauer were necessarily exaggerating the prevalence of suffering. I do think it’s inherent to human life, although some experience more of it than others. But I wonder why, with it being so prevalent, we would be urged by Nietzsche to seek it out?
13. I'd like to think that I would be okay with experiencing this existence multiple times over, but then I start to ask myself, "What am I even doing with my life?" The repetition of daily life can certainly be monotonous, especially when there is little to no time for leisure in between. That being said, time spent in leisure grants a rewarding aspect to the chores of the day. A cycle stops feeling like one when time and space for new experiences and choices is allowed.
ReplyDeleteJacquez Caldwell
Delete1. What do you think Nietzsche means by playing seriously, like a child? Does it have something to do with children's willingness to question everything? 37-8
ReplyDeleteI think that children's willingness to question everything could very well have something to do with it. The very idea of philosophy is to uncover truth and wisdom. Children refuse to go along with much of anything without knowing "why". I think another way to interpret this quote is that children have very active imaginations. They can spend hours entertaining themselves with an imagined scenario. Good philosophers must be able to do the same and chase seemingly answerless questions down the rabbit hole and see what they find.
13. What (again) is your response to the demon? 72 Do you find repetition in daily life inherently "crushing"? Do you find your "circles" an opportunity to grow and improve, with (for example) each pass around the sun? But does Nietzsche's fatalism ("nothing new") allow for such growth and improvement? And if you've seen Bill Murray's Groundhog Day, is this what makes his situation unlike Nietzsche's recurrence?
I do not find repetition to be crushing. In fact I am someone who needs a little bit of repetition in my daily life in order to feel grounded, and do see these an opportunities for growth. Life can very rarely be lived without repetition, maybe not at all. I do believe that Nietzche's fatalism of "nothing changes" damning to the idea that we could use the repetition to grow and change. I am making the assumption that the demon's offer includes us having the knowledge that we are repeating this life, as well as remembering the previous. Honestly, I think it would be an encouraging way to live life. It would be disappointing to lose that element of surprise, but getting through hard times would be easier as you have foresight of the good things to come. More importantly, I think this hypothetical is a reminder to make your life mean something to you, and make it something you wouldn't be devastated to repeat.