Presentations-
Bella Ambriz-Kaag. Natalie Moreno-Wept. Nicholas-The Abysmal Hotel and The Horse. Vanshika-
Kaag 156-193
- Is it generally true, do you think, that "men [and women] of knowledge... have never sought ourselves"? What do you think FN meant? Why should Faust desire a form of knowledge that is more than "just human"? 161
- What did FN mean in calling himself "dynamite"? 158 Is philosophy and/or humanity well served by philosophers who exalt power and sow chaos?
- Any comment on Hamlet's Yorick soliloquy? 159 What do you think/feel when contemplating a human skull?
- Why would FN have found his old boarding house "revolting"? Have you ever been disappointed, on visiting the former haunts of a famous deceased person?
- "...women philosophers have typically been better about actually6 playing with the kids." 164. Any comment? (For the record: I played with my kids a lot!). And: "Fatherhood has traditionally been about limiting a child's sense of possibility." 166. I know that wasn't the case for me, or for my kids. Was it for you?
- Guests were "chatting happily about FN's final days." 168. Does it bother you to imagine random future strangers making light of your own eventual demise? Why would anyone ever do that? Have you ever?
- What do you think of FN's "wish"? 173
- Was Adorno right about how we become human? 176 Is one really “nothing”?
- Is there a way to gain the benefit of “altitude” without suffering thee “pathos of distance”? 177
- Is the line between madness and profundity really so fine? 179. If so, would it be prudent to live un-reflectively?
- Is the case of Empedocles a cautionary tale for philosophers, especially those who propose a stark and instructive dialectic between seeming opposites like “love and strife”? 182 Had he really “transcended the long suffering of life” by ending it violently? 188
- Do you think Nietzsche really was “aware of his exaggeration” in ECCE HOMO? 185 Was it a work of genius or madness? Or both?
- “Bartleby doesn’t need to give a reason. This is a story about volition.” 191. Comment? Does volition really exempt reason?
- Do most parents really try to instill a strong sense of free will in their kids? 192. Is there a way to do that without relinquishing appropriate parental authority?
Wept Ch18-20
- "Virtually no one escapes the pain of love." 207. Is that really true? Or is it a myth foisted by the pop music industry, among others? Isn't the joy and reward of love at least as common?
- Was FN right that no one can show anyone else the way out of despair? And is it really plausible that "all serious thinkers contemplate suicide"? 208
- Do you ever deliberately assume the "cosmic perspective"? 209. Does it help?
- "Teaching philosophy and using it in life are very different undertakings." Comment? [My comment: they're really not at all different for me, I think.]
- Any comment on Paul Ree's and FN's different attitudes towards godlessness? 210
- Do you have any experience of obsession comparable to Josef's with Bertha? If you knew you'd waste hundreds of days on a pointless obsession, would that cure you of it? 213
- Is "anger discharge" therapeutic? 215
- What does it mean to say that "time cannot be broken"? 223 Does the phrase "all in good time" suggest otherwise? Couldn't we all do a better job of time-management? Should we stop commodifying it ("time is $") and treat it instead as one of our most precious assets?
- “More in love with desire than with the desired.” 228. Comment? Do YOU “manufacture your own icon” etc.? If so, does that make you religious… even if you renounce conventional faith?
- Have philosophy departments trained “angst doctors”? 230. Should they?
- “Living safely is dangerous.” Comment?
- What does FN mean by “applied philosophy”? 232 Has its time come? Do we “kill gods but sanctify their replacements”? 233 Should we?
- Do you “think best while walking”? 235 Do you think best alone, or in conversation?
- Do you find it helpful to think of life as “a spark between two identical voids”? 238. Are they really identical?
- Is it possible or desirable to believe and act consistently on the premise that “only this instant is real”? 240
- Do you find cemeteries clarifying and perspective-giving? 241
- “To love woman is to hate life!” 243 Is there any way to reconcile that statement with FN’s professed commitment to valuing THIS life, and no other?
- Do you think most philosophy springs from “the drive to escape death’s oblivion”? 246. What else might it spring from?
- How will you know when you’ve “consummated your life”? 248f. Is eternal recurrence life-changing, to you?
- “The best teacher is one who learns from his student.” Comment?
2. Nietzsche self-referentially using dynamite is appropriate in the sense that he was a very disruptive force. If he did not destabilize the foundations of western culture himself, he certainly shined a light on the issues that did. Nietzsche thought himself a liberating force, one that could inspire a new morality that replaced traditional values. In my opinion, he was more destabilizing than constructive. I enjoy Nietzsche because I can read him with an optimistic attitude regarding the motivation to manifest oneself in service to life, but I maintain he was a better diagnostician than provider of solutions. It's not obvious that his campaign against traditional morality was benevolently motivated. He may have been exhausting his power as best as he could, that is, by intellectually challenging convention. Perhaps he poked conceptual holes in custom because his physical body relegated this method to be the most potent application of his perceived personal power.
ReplyDelete"a better diagnostician than provider of solutions" - Yes. And his missing the distinction between changing your life and being ABLE to change your life: that's a pretty glaring error of imprecision.
DeleteI'd like to think he'd have found other termilogy than "power" if he'd lived to see the misapplications to which it would be put.
It is a shame the same word is used at all
DeleteWhat do you think of FN's "wish"? 173 Nietzsche wishes for anyone he cares for to suffer so that they may find strength and significance in their lives. He believed that suffering was a powerful tool in cultivating self-growth and greatness, so much so that he wished that on the ones he cared for most. Well, I am glad not to have been part of his inner circle, as it is a bit extreme. While I do agree that overcoming obstacles in life undeniably bring feelings of accomplishment and fulfillment, I cannot accept that it is only in suffering and desolation that we find worth in life.
ReplyDeleteIs the line between madness and profundity really so fine? 179. If so, would it be prudent to live un-reflectively? If profundity can only be found in a trance brought on by severe isolation and self-deprivation, then I don’t think it can be separated from madness at all. Luckily, though, I do not think that you must abandon all joy and interaction in your life to be profound. Practicing no reflection and over-indulgence in inward reflection pose equal threats to mental clarity.
“Bartleby doesn’t need to give a reason. This is a story about volition.” 191. Comment? Does volition really exempt reason? While you may act against reason of your own volition, I think it is impossible to sever this attachment entirely. If volition is independent from outside influence, it must be rooted in reason that guides the decision. If Bartleby truly chose to abandon his job and starve himself to death, there must have been a reason, or it is not possible that be made the decision at all.
Hi, Natalie! Regarding Nietzsche's wish for suffering: I agree that his view is extreme. While encountering chaos and overcoming obstacles certainly forces us to reorder our lives and can prompt profound growth, it is not the sole mechanism for finding meaning. Nietzsche often seems to conflate extreme adversity with the only valid path to greatness. I think he was conjuring a meaning for himself out the unfortunate hand he was dealt. He was playing that hand as best as he could, but would have benefited had he learned how, not just to play the cards he was dealt, but how to play with others. Total isolation and severe self-deprivation are fundamentally maladaptive and sanity could very well be primarily outsourced. His demise was as tragic as it was unsurprising.
DeleteWhile reading the chapters for today, I got curious about Nietzsche’s death and went down a little rabbit hole. I found several pubmed articles where modern neurologists attempted to determine Nietzsche’s condition. The general modern consensus is that he did not have syphillis. I found one compelling research article that concluded he may have had something called CADASIL (an acronym for quite the mouthful of medical terminology). Basically, CADASIL is a hereditary neurological condition that he may have inherited from his father who died of a stroke. It’s a thickening of the blood vessels in the brain, and causes migraines, mini strokes, cognitive decline, and psychiatric symptoms similar to depression or bipolar disorder. Another popular theory is a brain tumor which would explain the blindness as well. I just thought it was interesting as we are looking into his decline, illness, and death. It looks like there are quite a few modern doctors who have been interested in researching his case.
ReplyDeleteSome Links: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18575181/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26465288/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17881977/